Thursday, March 16, 2017

This is now a hostage situation - Theresa May attempts to abolish Scottish democracy...and the Scottish Government must take bold action to stop her

If the 'sources' chatter from journalists is correct, Theresa May will this afternoon reverse decades of British government policy and announce that Scotland does not have the right to democratic self-determination.  There is, she will apparently say, no longer any democratic path to independence - the UK government has unilaterally decided that Scotland is to remain in the UK, regardless of the views of the Scottish people.

Two obvious conclusions follow from this -

1) In any universe where the media do not pat her on the head for her constant contradictions and U-turns, Ruth Davidson's position as Scottish Tory leader would now be utterly untenable.  She has stated on numerous occasions that, while she is vigorously opposed to a second independence referendum, it would be wrong for London to block one if the Scottish Parliament voted in favour.

2) In my view, the Scottish Government must now start stating openly that they will ensure the Scottish people are allowed to make a decision on independence, even if a Section 30 order is not granted.  This could take the form of a consultative referendum, or of an early Holyrood election in which the SNP manifesto seeks an outright mandate for independence.  I'm reasonably sure contingency planning must have been done for one of those options, but it's still important to make a public announcement as soon as possible, to prevent the narrative being established that "the Jocks asked for a referendum, the headteacher said no, end of story".  There may be the temptation to go through the motions of formally requesting a Section 30 order, waiting for a formal rejection, and then formally requesting a rethink, etc, etc...and that would be a great mistake.  The Scottish Government must not allow themselves to look impotent by running around in circles to no great effect, especially when they have high-ranking cards they could be playing. 

85 comments:

  1. Agree, James, hope the SG all over the top of this if May hits out with it.

    Also agree that the SG should not stand for any nonsense from her - if she tries to refuse democracy, that should be flagged up, and the SG should take steps to ensure there is a decision this, be it through referendum or an election.

    What sort of Banana Republic shit does May think this is? She can't seriously expect people to think denying votes on things is democratic, at any rate. Such a notion should be laughed at, long and loud.

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    1. The incompetence of the out of touch westminster establishmentMarch 16, 2017 at 4:51 PM

      Mark Simon Frankland‏ @FranklandMark 8 hours ago

      The more derision, hatred and contempt they send up from south of the border, the more the YES vote will soar. https://goo.gl/lnmFJ0

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    2. Ross Colquhoun‏Verified account @rosscolquhoun 6 hours ago

      If you didn't know @theresa_may and @RuthDavidsonMSP are rattled and scared of losing a future #ScotRef, you do now.

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  2. James, could the SG take British government to European court, while both still apart of, if only to show up Westminster on a biggger stage?

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    1. The incompetence of the out of touch westminster establishmentMarch 16, 2017 at 5:03 PM

      Michael Gray‏ @GrayInGlasgow 6 hours ago

      Theresa May: Scots will be "without the necessary information" on Brexit by Autumn 2018-Spring 2019. That's either a lie or stupidity.

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  3. Weirdly, I agree.

    I don't want another referendum, but if the govt of a particular area votes for it, it should be within their right to do so. That seems to be a basic tenet of the right to self determination.

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    1. The Great Westminster UltrashamblesMarch 16, 2017 at 5:18 PM

      Thus ensuring the actual independence campaign - which the tories have No power whatsoever to stop or even pretend they can stop - will also be dominated by whether the scottish public think the scottish parliament and Devolution should be flippantly cast aside by arrogant out of touch westminster tories like May.

      With the tories looking like they will win in westminster till 2030 or even beyond.

      And the tory and extremist 8% who think the scottish parliament and Devolution should be abolished will be given a megaphone by the westminster bubble media and the witless hardline tory Brexiteers.

      Yeah.. they might not have thought this through. Just like Brexit then. :D

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  4. The problem is James, that Nicola Sturgeon has personally on live tv stated that she would never consider taking Independence via the back door, this was in reference to declaring independence in any other way other than via a WM consented Referendum (ie with signed Section 30 order in place) Declaring Independence after a successful non consented or "consultative" Referendum as you put it, is in layman's terms a Unilateral Declaration Of Independence, ie it is opposed and is made despite that opposition. Scotland then has to state it's case to the ICJ for recognition, the ICJ in turn then gives an advisory opinion and refers it to all member states of the UN for ratification or refusal to recognise. Will Nicola Sturgeon & SNP do a Uturn and accept this as a satisfactory road to go down in the event of a refusal of Democracy ???

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    1. To the best of my knowledge, Nicola Sturgeon has never said what you think she's said. I believe what you're referring to is when she was trying to shut down talk of UDI without a democratic mandate. That's not remotely what I'm suggesting here - a consultative referendum, or a mandate obtained via a manifesto pledge at a Holyrood election, is a democratic mandate. Even then, UDI would not follow - the Scottish Government would use the outright mandate for independence to approach London for negotiations, and to seek pressure from international organisations if they hit a brick wall of intransigence.

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    2. Incidentally I might also add that by the letter of the Law, ALL Referenda are purely "Consultative" and are not legally binding, even with a Section 30 Order (Edinburgh Agreement MK2) in place, in 2014 there was only a promise to negotiate what was "in the best interests of both the UK & Scotland" Any new EA MK2 should be worded very different in my opinion to clarify and set into stone what a Yes vote would mean, but I suspect that May will not sign a new Section 30 Order until at least May of 2019 once Scotland has been removed from the EU along with rUK anyway.

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    3. James if WM on behalf of rUK refuses to recognise or negotiate Independence, then said Declaration IS a UDI ie it is opposed, they would be declaring "Unilaterally" no other form of Declaration would require ratification by "International Organisations" by which you mean the International Court Of Justice, which most recently gave it's advisory opinion on the Declaration Of Independence by Kosovo, it confirmed that all requirements had been met and asked all member countries to vote on ratification, curiously enough UK abstained, however Kosovo was still declared a legitimate Independent country in July 2010. And yes James, Nicola Sturgeon DID say that, I will go find a link for your perusal.

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    4. Please do, because I'm confident she didn't - I think you're reading something into her words that wasn't there. The idea that she was saying that she would just accept an indefinite London veto regardless how Scotland votes doesn't really ring true.

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    5. James I am sure that she said it in the leaders debates in 2015 I also think she went public another time in order to silence Alex Salmond who had referred to "other ways of declaring independence" ie hinting at UDI in a video interview after he stepped down as FM. I'll have a dig later, as I'm away out for a few hours.

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    6. Precisely - I'm not suggesting UDI. That was the talk she was trying to shut down. It's got nothing to do with the question of whether an alternative democratic mandate for independence should be sought if a Section 30 order is refused.

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    7. "Incidentally I might also add that by the letter of the Law, ALL Referenda are purely "Consultative" and are not legally binding, even with a Section 30 Order (Edinburgh Agreement MK2) in place, in 2014 there was only a promise to negotiate what was "in the best interests of both the UK & Scotland"

      Yes and I find this a really interesting point. All Referenda are purely 'Consultative' - yet Brexit is going ahead. That too was 'consultative' only yet is being fulfilled. Surely that has set the precedent? And therefore, to hold a non-Section 30 IndyRef and FOLLOW IT THROUGH IF 'YES' WON IT, would NOT be 'Ultra Vires' and would be as legal as BREXIT?

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    8. No Tarisgal, the EU Ref was made a legal Bill of the UK Parliament, and there the difference lies.it was given Royal Assent in 2015, a new ScotRef without a Section 30 Order has no legal standing, it will not have passed through both Houses of Parliament and made a lawful Act, but that does not mean that it cannot be done with a successful outcome. The question of a non consented being ultra vires is contained within the Scotland Act, Holyrood does not have the lefgal competence to make such a Referendum 'Law' that is still a reserved power. But none of that should stop us going ahead with a Referendum even on a 'Consultative' basis, because that then becomes an indisputable mandate for Independence & WM either accepts it or it orders a rerun with Section 30 Order and Royal Assent signed, a refusal of both is tantamount to Tyranny & Usurpation.

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    9. James there are two types of Declaration,1/ a Declaration agreed upon by two or more parties & 2/ a Declaration made 'Unilaterally' ie it is disputed/challenged by one or more parties & that is where the ICJ comes in possibly after having got the backing of the ECJ. So in the event of WM refusing to recognise the legitimacy of such a non consented vote and refuses point blank to negotiate with Scottish Ministers, we then have a scenario where we must go back and eat our cereal or we Declare Independence Unilaterally or there is no case to be heard by the ICJ in the first place. Are all possible Yes voters angry enough and comfortable enough to see out that scenario ? That is the question I am asking, it is democratic and not forgetting that there was no guarantee of any kind that Scotland would have become Independent last time around, it's there in the Edinburgh Agreement, it could well possibly have turned into a war of attrition & negotiations could have become a stalemate & the default setting was back to status quo. If we want this then we must bloody well fight for it and never assume that WM will hand the prize over at any stage even supposing it was a 75% Yes vote, by fight I don't mean literally.

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    10. "The Fighting Dominie"...
      Thank you for your clarification. That was indeed helpful and I understand the situation better now.

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  5. May very careful to say that she is not against a referendum,just not now (possibly never).
    That means at a time of her choosing,when she feels that Westminster will be able to have maximum interference in the campaign.
    The agreement of London (section 30 order) to recognise the outcome of an indy referendum would only be relevant in gaining international recognition of an independent Scottish state.
    Westminster has offended so many people with it's arrogant Rule Britannia attitude,especially the EU,that recognition of our status from London may now be fairly meaningless.
    I am sure their instinct will be to send in the troops (that is their normal reaction) but that would be catastrophic and guaranteed to divide these islands permanently.
    So,it looks like either a consultative referendum,as in Catalonia,or a snap Scottish election based on a declaration of independence.
    It was interesting to hear the BBC political reporter Norman Smith refer to the UK and Scotland as separate entities.
    Perhaps the penny is finally dropping in London that we Scots are a distinct polity.

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  7. Bear in mind that, if held after Brexit with a reduced electoral franchise, ScotRef would exclude almost 200,000 EU citizens who had the right to vote in IndyRef.

    200,000 = ~5% of the 2014 vote.

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    1. Yes Alan but vast majority of EU Nationals voted No last time anyway, believing WM that it was the only way to guarantee their current freedom of movement in EU countries, the vagaries are very different now.

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    2. "Bear in mind that, if held after Brexit with a reduced electoral franchise, ScotRef would exclude almost 200,000 EU citizens who had the right to vote in IndyRef."

      This suggestion is doing the rounds just now, but is there any proof for it? Wouldn't SG have the right to decide the franchise for Scotref?

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  8. I hope Nicola does the right thing and call Mays bluff we are all behind her 100%, I personally can't see the harm when westminster MP would have been sorting out brexit and the MSP sorting out a Scottish referendum what the fucking problem. She also refused the NI to have a referendum I always know britain was against democracy.

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    1. Sinn Fein will be in sole control of NI soon enough. The conservatives have spread their nationalist/zenophobist crap for so long, they forgot that everyone gets it.younger people in Ireland are as likely to not vote for a party because of what happened 25 or 50 years ago as my generation was or the one before, that is, not a lot.

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    2. Sinn Fein are about as nationalist and xenophobic a political party as you get , Not that long ago they were merrily killing those who did not agree with their view of things

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  9. The Scottish government should start behaving as if Scotland was already independent.

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    1. I love the sound of that.

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  10. Theresa Trumpette and her revolting kipper toriesMarch 16, 2017 at 4:41 PM

    Dr Craig Dalzell‏ @thecommongreen 5 hours ago

    Prescription charges in England to go up to £8.60 per item.
    Elsewhere in UK medical treatment still free at point of need.

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  11. Oh dear chaps! Oh dear! The government (the proper government) has put Strugglin in her place. Welcome back to reality. Piss off your boss, you get fired. Piss off the law, you get the jail. Piss off the government, they rule against you. These universal facts of life seemed to have been suspended in Scotland these last few years - not any more. The British government - the government of Churchill, of Thatcher - is back.

    But there's plenty for you to do. The schools and hospitals are a joke as are the police, roads etc. Get that fixed and make a solid case for indy and you might one day be listened to - when its convenient for the other 92% of people who live in this country.

    Smell the block.

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    1. Aldo the cringing kipperMarch 16, 2017 at 5:20 PM

      "The undecideds and the bottlers will put it in the back of the net for 'remain'. I'm sure Cameron also has a few tricks up his sleeve to deploy in the dying days of the campaign."

      Aldo

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    2. Small the Tory fear (and yet another expenses scandal PMSL)March 16, 2017 at 5:22 PM

      Doug Daniel‏ @DouglasDaniel 6 hours ago

      Erm... Can someone point to where Theresa May actually has the guts to say "I will block a section 30 order" rather than the usual rhetoric?

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    3. Colostomybag VanceMarch 16, 2017 at 5:36 PM

      Jamie Maxwell‏ @jamiemaxwell86 1 hour ago

      If Theresa May was looking for a way to accelerate the re-toxification of Toryism in Scotland, she has found it.

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    4. Tory Expenses Scandal - Because they just can't help themselvesMarch 16, 2017 at 5:43 PM

      ⚡ScotsVsAusterity ⚡‏ @ScotIndyDebate

      Sky News - Tory Election Expenses scandal could lead to a series of By-Elections

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    5. Tory Expenses Scandal - Because they just can't help themselvesMarch 16, 2017 at 5:48 PM

      Paul Arrowsmith‏ @just4paulok 49 minutes ago

      Tory party fined over election expenses! Is anyone surprised they have been found guilty of election fraud on an unprecedented scale?

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  12. Bumblefuck kipper tories for unityMarch 16, 2017 at 5:23 PM

    Jo Maugham QC‏Verified account @JolyonMaugham 6 hours ago

    In Scotland in 2015, SNP polled 50% and Tories 14.9%. Extraordinary for Theresa May to claim a better mandate to speak for Scottish voters.

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  13. Bumblefuck kipper tories for unityMarch 16, 2017 at 5:24 PM

    Christopher Silver‏ @silverscotland 6 hours ago

    I think the PM might just have committed the most self-defeating act of constitutional vandalism since the 40 per cent rule in 79. #ScotRef

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  14. Bumblefuck kipper tories for unityMarch 16, 2017 at 5:27 PM

    Severin Carrell‏Verified account @severincarrell 6 hours ago

    We hear @RuthDavidsonMSP @ScotSecofState insisted on hardline strategy, not @Number10gov


    One of which is currently under investigation by the police in the new tory westminster expenses scandal. ROFL You couldn't make this shit up!!

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  15. They might not have thought this through ROFLMarch 16, 2017 at 5:32 PM

    Iain Macwhirter‏ @iainmacwhirter 3 hours ago

    May has ruled that Scottish parliament does not represent the will of the people of Scotland. Seems to sum up today's Big No.

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  16. They REALLY might not have thought this through AT ALL! PMSLMarch 16, 2017 at 5:34 PM

    Iain Macwhirter‏ @iainmacwhirter 6 hours ago

    A referendum may only be held, therefore, not as a result of democratic process, but only when Theresa May wills it.

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  17. Guys, stay calm. Keep the heid. Let this one go it's course. Moral high ground is with us.

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    1. If "keep the heid" and "let this one go its course" is code for "do absolutely nothing", then it goes without saying that I profoundly disagree with you, Anon.

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    2. Theresa May or the Scottish Parliament. Who do scots trust?March 16, 2017 at 6:22 PM

      I wouldn't call letting the scottish parliament speak loudly and clearly as doing nothing.

      Nor would I count the current absolute constitutional clusterfuck the tories have gotten themselves into as anything that can possibly be swept under the rug or liable to fade into insignificance.

      There was a reason the First Minister of Scotland forced their hand when she did. The weekend shall clarify this and the support for her to an unprecedented degree at conference, even before the scottish parliamentary vote.

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    3. I was responding to Anon's point, which seemed to be a call to do nothing. (I presume you're not Anon.)

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    4. Theresa May or the Scottish Parliament. Who do scots trust?March 16, 2017 at 6:37 PM

      You presume correctly and I was clarifying your point which seemed to be that nothing was being done.

      The prep for the locals has been lengthy, hard work but worthwhile. Just to further clarify that there are other things long planned for that are also very far from nothing.

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    5. I am anon. I was just meaning to keep the heid as emotions will be running high, including mine.

      I think we need to wait to see what happens next week. This could all be the usual media ballocks.

      If not, then I'll be supporting a referendum without the support of Westminster. Why should we need it?

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    6. Theresa May or the Scottish Parliament. Who do scots trust?March 16, 2017 at 7:02 PM

      "This could all be the usual media ballocks."

      A weak tory PM posturing wildly because they haven't the faintest idea what to do? Perish the thought. Certainly never happened before. ;)

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    7. "your point which seemed to be that nothing was being done."

      No, that wasn't my point at all. As it happens, though, I do believe that holding a vote in the Scottish Parliament is inadequate if we then implicitly accept Theresa May's right to ignore the outcome. I've no idea if the SNP are planning to do that - I hope and believe that's unlikely, but like everyone else I'll be waiting to find out with keen interest.

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    8. Theresa May or the Scottish Parliament. Who do scots trust?March 16, 2017 at 7:37 PM

      "if we then implicitly accept Theresa May's right to ignore the outcome."

      I've a feeling you, the somewhat sizeable SNP conference and SNP membership, and indeed scotland and the westminster tories shall be left with absolutely zero room for doubt or ambiguity on that very point after conference.

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  18. Ruth Davidson is a feartie.

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  19. Sick to death of all this begging to hold another referendum which we all know will be rigged against "Yes" by the hostile "Scottish" media. Call a Scottish election and let Scotland decide! Enough is enough!

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    1. We don't all know it was rigged. That's your personal opinion.
      We DO however know for a certainty that the scottish and westminster bubble media is utterly dominated by unionist supporting papers and broadcasters. That's a provable fact.

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    2. Well, if you must have your pedantic distinction, go ahead. No wonder May thinks we're all stupid.

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    3. It is self-evidently Theresa May and the tories who look stupid and staggeringly out of touch today in scotland.

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    4. no jist in scotland mind :)


      C4 News @FactCheck 33m

      Senior Tories have been defending the party over #electionexpenses — but their defence doesn’t stack up:

      https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-tory-election-expenses-defence-doesnt-stand-up

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    5. Maybe you Nat si should give consideration inti the fact you are stupid.

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    6. Tory Expenses Scandal - Because they just can't help themselvesMarch 16, 2017 at 8:24 PM

      Richard Murphy‏ @RichardJMurphy 6 hours ago

      May's claim that the Tories cooperated with the Electoral Commission is a straightforward lie according to the Electoral Commission

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    7. The "provable fact" that the Scottish and Westminster bubble media is utterly dominated by unionist supporting papers and broadcasters IS the rigging, you idiot.

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    8. It is self-evidently Theresa May and the tories who look like staggeringly out of touch idiots today in scotland.

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  20. Interesting idea about calling a GE in order to seek a mandate for independence. Presumably, an SNP plurality would not be enough this time, nor would a pro-indy majority in parliament: we'd need a pro-indy majority of the vote.

    That's a big ask. Even if it was achieved, WM may get away with dismissing it because GEs involve so many other issues. It would be a less stark mandate for independence than, say, the still Spain-shackled Catalonians already have.

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    1. Bumblefuck kipper tories for unityMarch 16, 2017 at 6:32 PM

      We're already going to have a scotland wide vote very soon indeed. Campaigning has already started for the locals.

      We'll see how that goes for a start.

      However, I'm not altogether sure this will produce the thumping tory victory Theresa May would seem to require for the tories to be taken remotely seriously when it comes to who claiming is more in-touch with scottish public opinion. Just a hunch. ;)

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    2. Not for the ScotParl as its intentionally setup to prevent a majority - even with a majority vote.

      However the d'Hondt system could backfire - I never really considered this until recently - if you used it as a proxy to decide a binary (yes/no) decision between one party (SNP) and mulitple unionist parties.

      Interesting & DEFINITELY not something d'Hondt was designed for....

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    3. The former Lady Primeminister Ms May is channelling was quoted as requiring a majority of Scots MP's as a mandate for independence. We have that already today.

      While it is undoubted that the Conservatives would likely get a landslide if the held an election there are a couple of spanners in the plan. Firstly a 2/3 majority of MP's would be required to repeal the fixed Parliaments act. And a lot of the Labour Turkeys will be reluctant to vote for Christmas right now.

      If the SNP stood on an independence mandate, on current polling they would very likely take 50 or so seats. Down a little but well above the 50% of Scots seats required.

      There is a brave united face on the Conservative Party, but they are riven with division on Brexit too. Sure the fanatical right is in the driving seat, but the other passengers are in many cases well aware that the car is going off a cliff. So there is a strong likelihood of the Conservatives being split if they force an election. Some of their MP's are actually good guys.

      I doubt there will be a GE until after Brexit is a fait accompli . Which will still be won by the Conservatives only after the Brexit is irreversible.

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    4. Tory Expenses Scandal - Because they just can't help themselvesMarch 16, 2017 at 10:16 PM

      "I doubt there will be a GE until after Brexit is a fait accompli . Which will still be won by the Conservatives only after the Brexit is irreversible."

      I thought the same but there is unquestionably some in CCHQ and some senior tories who are already floating the idea of an early election again.

      Not through choice, I hasten to add, but through necessity.


      Since this is all being done in the shadow of the tory election expenses scandal. As is their briefing to journos to that effect.

      Does that automatically mean an early GE? Nope. Because nobody knows the outcome to the tory expenses scandal. It has to run it's course.

      But for sure, they would hardly be raising the prospect of one if there wasn't a meaningful chance the expenses scandal could get out of hand and won't just stop with a few headlines today as the police continue their investigation.

      How many seats would have to be under threat of a re-run for there simply to be no choice? Not that many tbh.

      Downing Street was and is spending a significant portion of it's time on their expenses scandal. Again, not through choice, but necessity.

      Last time that happened - Number 10 to have to put a signifcatn part of it's resources into 'disaster planning' involving something that had rumbled on in the background with legal implications - was one Andy Coulson.

      That didn't turn out well for the tories as it happened.

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    5. My feeling on the Tory election expenses is that there was a period where the conservatives would have been best served by triggering a GE in order to protect themselves from any fallout. The as long as any MPs weren't found personally responsible and barred from holding office it could be weathered as voiding elections would be academic.

      As in the Carmichael case illegal actions taken during an election of a sufficient magnitude will result in the result being voided. Responsibility for those actions determines whether the beneficiary of them gets to stand again. Which is why pinning the blame on CCHQ is so vital in some quarters other than an attempt at downplaying the truth that it doesn't matter who fixed the race when it comes to invalidating the result.

      Even more interesting is that previously May was banging on about 2021 as being when the SNP might gain a mandate via Holyrood elections. 50+ cheery wee scottish faces all taking turns to make her life a misery at PM questions would, one have thought, reminded her that a GE is another avenue for gaining that mandate.

      May has effectively created a scenario where the second GE some of her support think so winnable would allow the SNP an attempt at gaining the mandate she denies they already hold.

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  21. So to summarise :

    1) No vote has yet been taken in the ScotParl so no formal request;
    2) May was saying "no need for indyref2" last week, this week its "not now" - again to no formal request;
    3) We await the next card played - which will be from the SNP/Greens (gods help the greens if they bottle it now!) next week.

    I wonder what the republicans in NI are thinking viewing May pretending to be Thatcher in Scotland. She's so far out of her depth its really scary.

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  22. Bumblefuck kipper tories for unityMarch 16, 2017 at 7:29 PM

    The new tory expenses scandal has some tory MPs and some in tory HQ running around briefing the press (Faisal Islam, Sky News etc.) that a westminster election might end up being far sooner rather than later.

    Through necessity we must presume since they, of all people, should have some idea of just how serious the expanses scandal is. (Or not, given the current westminster tory administration seems to be run by clowns running madly around a custard pie factory) :D

    The consensus among the journos is also that one of the most inflammatory and counterproductive statements ever made from a tory PM to scotland, was made today, specifically, to bury the bad news of that election expenses scandal.

    Just think about that for a second and the utter contempt it shows to the scottish people from the tories.

    Politics is not a game?!? Seriously?

    Certainly not one the tories are any fucking good at, to say the least.

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    1. Jist declare UDI you German/Frog collaborating Nazi bastards and we can sort it out without anymore verbal shite. You have been waving more saltires than swastikas that were ever seen in Nuremburg.

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    2. The poster above is a far-right racist Neo-NaziMarch 16, 2017 at 8:17 PM

      You're the one who hates foreigners and scots, spews racist bile at them and wants to abolish democracy, you fascist Nazi fuckwit.

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    3. Theresa Trumpette and her revolting kipper toriesMarch 16, 2017 at 8:20 PM

      Richard Murphy‏ @RichardJMurphy 6 hours ago

      May's claim that the Tories cooperated with the Electoral Commission is a straightforward lie according to the Electoral Commission

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    4. The fash nutter above at 8.17pm does not respect the Scottish or EU referendum results therefore he is the fascist. Fascists do not believe in democracy. The Jock Nat sis are a danger to peace and democracy.

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    5. A few weeks back one of the posters ran a link to a Javascript that you run when you read the BTL comments here. It hides or removes the troll's comments. Perhaps James, you could put a link on the home page of the blog. My reading fun has been restored now I don't get the eejits muttering any more.

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    6. Poor wee soul does not want to read what he finds unacceptable before he reads it. Go out and renew your meat injection batteries permitting.

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    7. Bears in the West are meeting at 6a John Street; G1 1JQ; Glasgow; Underground Bar. Friday April 7th come and join us for a convivial fun night.

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  23. Bumblefuck kipper tories for unityMarch 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM

    The new tory expenses scandal has some tory MPs and some in tory HQ running around briefing the press (Faisal Islam, Sky News etc.) that a westminster election might end up being far sooner rather than later.

    Through necessity we must presume since they, of all people, should have some idea of just how serious the expanses scandal is. (Or not, given the current westminster tory administration seems to be run by clowns running madly around a custard pie factory) :D

    The consensus among the journos is also that one of the most inflammatory and counterproductive statements ever made from a tory PM to scotland, was made today, specifically, to bury the bad news of that election expenses scandal.

    Just think about that for a second and the utter contempt it shows to the scottish people from the tories.

    Politics is not a game?!? Seriously?

    Certainly not one the tories are any fucking good at, to say the least.

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  24. Buster blood vessel Kim Yung Eck oan the telly looks like heart attack bait. Whit a wee Nat si anti English scumbag. Must get his killie pies posted tae his London residence.

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    1. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/former-scottish-first-minister-alex-salmond-warns-theresa-may/8361374

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  25. Theresa Trumpette and her revolting kipper toriesMarch 16, 2017 at 10:18 PM

    Wings Over Scotland‏ @WingsScotland 2h

    How can it ever feel good or right to side with the Tories, UKIP, the BNP and the National Front against your own country?

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    1. How can you side with the Tartan Tories! Our country is the UK who have decided not to let the EU run the UK which includes Scotland. Seems to me that some Scots either want to be in the Union or the EU but not independent!

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    2. The EU told the UK it couldn't have a referendum on the EU until it said so, did it?

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    3. The Corrupt EU beaurocracy is of no relevance to me. The Jock nat si elite seem to think they have a future in it.
      However we are oot so dream on and ask a sensible ?

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    4. Absolute bloody state of this terrified Tory roaster. Away back to Breitbart before daylight burns you.

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  26. This is fandabeedozi,wee Jimmy Kramkie has throwm the dummy away and she aint playin anymore.Her dreams of a globalist, national socialist, world government utopia, of multiculturism, and open borders, is in tatters.The champagne socialist can drown her sorrows at the royal mile whilst her chauffer awaits,to bundle her in the back pashed as usual.Then back to her free hoose,to plan more globalist ideology under the guise of nationalism and the saltire.Then she can mull away the midnight hours counting her rapidly increasing wealth, that she accrues, all at our expense.

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    1. "national socialist" AND "multiculturalism" all in the same nonsensical rant... Wow, what a profound thinker.

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